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Posted by: Roger (66.108.245.123) on February 26, 2004 at 22:29:31

Location: NYC

In Reply to: Re: Pros and Cons posted by Marc Grant on February 26, 2004 at 16:04:40:

First grabs on new talent? Huh?

Monopoly? Say what?

There are, to my knowledge, four land-based agencies that routinely post on this forum. None of them are within 100 miles of each other. One is commercial print, one glamour, one largely promotional, and one small market hybrid commercial-fashion (unless I've been misreading). The competition between us, and between us and any other agency posting, is miniscule.

With rare, specialy targeted exception, most of us don't recruit on the net; in fact we have the opposite problem: we get too many submissions from wannabe models on the net already.

Modeling is local. We certainly aren't interested in some aspiring model in Texas, Florida or North Dakota. Anyone else who wants them is welcome to "first grabs".

In our case it is rare indeed that a viable commercial print model, located in New York City, makes a post on the forums. Even when that happens, the commercial agencies here nearly all have non-exclusive relationships with our models. We expect that they will have more than one agency if they are very marketable. If anything it's desirable for them to have some other agency first; it saves us on the development work. I'd much rather get a submission from a fully ready-to-market model than one who needs a lot of work.

On the other hand, those of us really in the mainstream, brick and mortar agency business have a pretty keen eye for what real agencies do, and what scams do. We recognize the patterns; we see them and work with them daily. We also see countless victims daily. After a while we get tired of seeing victims.

I've seen a lot of attempts to tell people how to select an agency. Inevitably they get down to simple "rules" that simply don't work in the real world. So we have to use judgment based on experience that the vast majority of people don't have to sort the real from the pretenders.

I'd like to see your proposed article on how to tell good agencies from bad, the one that would allow people without real-world agency experience to reliably tell which agencies are good and which are not.

By all means, please publish it.

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• With a grain of salt Roger.... - Allen 10:47:56 02/27/04 (0)

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: First grabs on new talent?  Huh?

: Monopoly?  Say what?

: There are, to my knowledge, four land-based agencies that routinely post on this forum.  None of them are within 100 miles of each other.  One is commercial print, one glamour, one largely promotional, and one small market hybrid commercial-fashion (unless I've been misreading).  The competition between us, and between us and any other agency posting, is miniscule.

: With rare, specialy targeted exception, most of us don't recruit on the net; in fact we have the opposite problem:  we get too many submissions from wannabe models on the net already.

: Modeling is local.  We certainly aren't interested in some aspiring model in Texas, Florida or North Dakota.  Anyone else who wants them is welcome to "first grabs".

: In our case it is rare indeed that a viable commercial print model, located in New York City, makes a post on the forums.  Even when that happens, the commercial agencies here nearly all have non-exclusive relationships with our models.  We <u>expect</u> that they will have more than one agency if they are very marketable.  If anything it's desirable for them to have some other agency first; it saves us on the development work.  I'd much rather get a submission from a fully ready-to-market model than one who needs a lot of work.

: On the other hand, those of us really in the mainstream, brick and mortar agency business have a pretty keen eye for what real agencies do, and what scams do.  We recognize the patterns; we see them and work with them daily.  We also see countless victims daily.  After a while we get tired of seeing victims.

: I've seen a lot of attempts to tell people how to select an agency.  Inevitably they get down to simple "rules" that simply don't work in the real world.  So we have to use judgment based on experience that the vast majority of people don't have to sort the real from the pretenders.

: I'd like to see your proposed article on how to tell good agencies from bad, the one that would allow people without real-world agency experience to reliably tell which agencies are good and which are not.  

: By all means, please publish it.


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