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Posted by: Doug Lester (216.175.67.30) on August 24, 2003 at 17:27:13

Location: Atlanta

In Reply to: if you don't know them, don't trust them posted by tim hunold on August 24, 2003 at 14:47:54:

: I am sure you are illustrating a point, but that is an odd co-incidence that the one time she goes to a shoot without a chaperone, AND the other guy happens to be impersonating someone else, AND she gets raped. There is a little more to that story.

Your attitude typifies that of unfortunately far too many, that if a woman is forcibly raped, then it must have somehow been her fault. She must have done something wrong!

But you are right, there is more to the story, some of which I'm not at liberty to divulge. Let's just say part of the "rest of the story" is that her screams caused others in the hotel to call hotel security and the front desk. Her screaming caused hotel staff to force entry into the room wher ethey caught him in the act and her screaming to let her out of there! It was also her fault she had visible bruises on her head and face.

I guess it was also her fault that the predator had used someone elses name when etting up the shoot. That someone else was an actual person who passed all of her background checks with flying colors. I suppose it was also her fault that the predator had several complete sets of IDs in his wallet, all in other's valid names.

I did not indicate in any way that this was her first hotel shoot or her first shoot without a chaperone. I commented only that her usual practice was to take someone with her for first time shoots with unknown photographers.

: The web allows way too much annonymity/impersonation.

Yes, mostly for predators impersonating photographers. I just wonder how many times this predator has done this before, how many other models he raped and got away with it because the victim was too ashamed to report it.

: NEVER EVER SHOOT WITH ANYONE IN A HOTEL. : I tell all beginning models, never shoot in hotels, outdoors, homes/apart(resided in by the photog) or any 'free' locations.

I suppose then, you would tell models not to shoot with some of the greatest photographers alive today, such as Lucien clergue, Lilo Raymond, Harry Callahan, Helmut Newton and others who regularly used hotels and privae residences their for shoots with models. Actually one net photographer has just has the second set of his photos, all shot in motel rooms, published in the German publication 'Stern'.

Until my own retirement a few years ago I ran a full time commercial studio. It was located in my home! How about we accept the FACT that there are predators out there who are impersonating photographers. ow about accepting the FACT that those predators sometimes steal our identities to lure models. Hell, several years ago it happened to me. Some guy in the midwest used my indetity to lure models, saying he was scouting for me. She happened to forget the time set for the shoot, so went to my web site and telephoned me to get the time. The fact that she was in the midwest and I was in Atlanta didn't dawn on her until I said I had never heard of the probable predator.

Why can't we set aside our own insecurities and honor a model's wish to be accompanied my someone she knows. But then again, maybe that would ruin any chance of "getting lucky", or whatever!

My original post was made simply as a warning to models, take a chaperone with you if you don't know the photographer well. What I tell new models is if the photographer objects to a chaperone, don't go to the shoot!

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• People are scum, 'til proven otherwise - tim hunold 19:46:36 08/24/03 (3)
  • Actually ... - Doug L. 22:09:06 08/24/03 (2)
    • Very good advice - Roger 11:05:50 08/25/03 (0)
    • Duh - Shane 10:42:15 08/25/03 (0)

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: : I am sure you are illustrating a point, but that is an odd co-incidence that the one time she goes to a shoot without a chaperone, AND the other guy happens to be impersonating someone else, AND she gets raped. There is a little more to that story.

: Your attitude typifies that of unfortunately far too many, that if a woman is forcibly raped, then it must have somehow been her fault. She must have done something wrong!

: But you are right, there is more to the story, some of which I'm not at liberty to divulge. Let's just say part of the "rest of the story" is that her screams caused others in the hotel to call hotel security and the front desk. Her screaming caused hotel staff to force entry into the room wher ethey caught him in the act and her screaming to let her out of there! It was also her fault she had visible bruises on her head and face. 

: I guess it was also her fault that the predator had used someone elses name when etting up the shoot. That someone else was an actual person who passed all of her background checks with flying colors. I suppose it was also her fault that the predator had several complete sets of IDs in his wallet, all in other's valid names. 

: I did not indicate in any way that this was her first hotel shoot or her first shoot without a chaperone. I commented only that her usual practice was to take someone with her for first time shoots with unknown photographers.    

: : The web allows way too much annonymity/impersonation.

: Yes, mostly for predators impersonating photographers. I just wonder how many times this predator has done this before, how many other models he raped and got away with it because the victim was too ashamed to report it.

: : NEVER EVER SHOOT WITH ANYONE IN A HOTEL. : I tell all beginning models, never shoot in hotels, outdoors, homes/apart(resided in by the photog) or any 'free' locations.

: I suppose then, you would tell models not to shoot with some of the greatest photographers alive today, such as Lucien clergue, Lilo Raymond, Harry Callahan, Helmut Newton and others who regularly used hotels and privae residences their for shoots with models. Actually one net photographer has just has the second set of his photos, all shot in motel rooms, published in the German publication 'Stern'. 

: Until my own retirement a few years ago I ran a full time commercial studio. It was located in my home! How about we accept the FACT that there are predators out there who are impersonating photographers. ow about accepting the FACT that those predators sometimes steal our identities to lure models. Hell, several years ago it happened to me. Some guy in the midwest used my indetity to lure models, saying he was scouting for me. She happened to forget the time set for the shoot, so went to my web site and telephoned me to get the time. The fact that she was in the midwest and I was in Atlanta didn't dawn on her until I said I had never heard of the probable predator. 

: Why can't we set aside our own insecurities and honor a model's wish to be accompanied my someone she knows. But then again, maybe that would ruin any chance of "getting lucky", or whatever!

: My original post was made simply as a warning to models, take a chaperone with you if you don't know the photographer well. What I tell new models is if the photographer objects to a chaperone, don't go to the shoot!  


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