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Posted by: Darren Stehr (64.231.161.37) on July 19, 2003 at 21:37:35

Location: Toronto

In Reply to: private email list for referrals posted by bill brent on July 17, 2003 at 15:44:30:

Bill,

I have one of those so called "vigilante" websites though not related to models or photographers. I am going after the lack of action by city politicians and police. It has been a so so success even though it has received North American and European radio and print media attention.

I have some advice for you.

1) Get a lawyer. You are fooling yourself if you don't think you are going to be sued or set up. I am lucky as I have had lawyers volunteer to help me.

2) You are blacklisted. So am I but I am blacklisted exactly by the people I want to be blacklisted by. You have blacklisted yourself in the photography community. My experience is that it will get very nasty .

3) At best you have created an online gossip column unless you are prepared to back it up. If a model tells you that he/she was criminally touched during a shoot and you going to support them through the process. I knew from day one that I would be subject to arrest and a lawsuit and coneversly that I may have to do the same... and I will. I saw one of my supporters a few weeks ago almost killed while I was being interviewed by a radio reporter a few feet away. I would be the one responsible and I am prepared to take it on.

My site is cut and dry. I have photographs of the incidents. You have a lot of gray area that is only going to get you into ten times more trouble than I do.

Darren Stehr

• Get out of the bike lane.

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: Bill,

: I have one of those so called "vigilante" websites though not related to models or photographers. I am going after the lack of action by city politicians and police. It has been a so so success even though it has received North American and European radio and print media attention. 

: I have some advice for you.

: 1) Get a lawyer. You are fooling yourself  if you don't think you are going to be sued or set up. I am lucky as I have had lawyers volunteer to help me.

: 2) You are blacklisted. So am I but I am blacklisted exactly by the people I want to be blacklisted by. You have blacklisted yourself in the photography community. My experience is that it will get very nasty .

: 3) At best you have created an online gossip column unless you are prepared to back it up. If a model tells you that he/she was criminally touched during a shoot and you going to support them through the process. I knew from day one that I would be subject to arrest and a lawsuit and coneversly that I may have to do the same... and I will. I saw one of my supporters a few weeks ago almost killed while I was being interviewed by a radio reporter a few feet away. I would be the one responsible and I am prepared to take it on.

: My site is cut and dry. I have photographs of the incidents. You have a lot of gray area  that is only going to get you into ten times more trouble than I do.

: Darren Stehr


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