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Posted by: Owen Phairis (66.215.36.195) on June 29, 2003 at 13:03:05

Location: Southern California

In Reply to: All we have to go on... posted by Michael McGowan on June 29, 2003 at 12:33:35:

: Owen, all we have to go on is what you've posted. Those posts have typically been grayed-out images that look like third generation copies of photos. If the problem is in the scanning, I can understand. But whether you enter contests, have work in museums (as I have had) or simply show pictures on the Web, you need to show only the best representations you can.

: Not only does Ohio have museums, I'm acquainted with the people who run one of America's finest, the Butler Institute of American Art. The photographs in their collection are, as you described, wonderfully rich.

: Again, all we can see is what you post, since we can't all visit your town to see things first-hand. My response was to the overall "look" of the images you've posted. The latest looks a little better, and its tones could be considered appropriate and done for effect.

: We all put things out for critique, for suggestions, for consideration. Unlike so many people doing photography, you do have the courage of your convictions. I'm merely trying to push you into amping up the display so your work will fully express those convictions. I don't have to work in the same genre as someone else to want him or her to succeed.

: BTW, there's much more to color than drug store or Adobe. All Adobe can do is to help adjust in the digital realm so I get the image I put on film ... or on a chip.

: The irony from my perspective is that digital has gotten to the point that it's nearly transparent as a medium, so long as you stay at 20x30 prints or smaller. All you see is what you put there. No pixels, no grain, nothing that tells the viewer anything about the source. It could be large format, digital or some combination. You just can't tell.

: Here's some more drugstore color for you.

You seem very liberal at giving advice to all that post here on this forum, perhaphs, your photography could, and would, improve if you took your own advice, ie, that muddy coastline landscape that you posted.......

Owen Phairis
Big Bear Lake

Follow Ups:

• Re: All we have to go on... - Doug Lester 13:44:43 06/29/03 (2)
  • Re: All we have to go on... - Owen Phairis 14:41:41 06/29/03 (0)
  • Re: All we have to go on... - Owen Phairis 14:41:26 06/29/03 (0)
• That's the way it looked... - Michael McGowan 13:11:29 06/29/03 (13)
  • Re: That's the way it looked... - Owen Phairis 13:31:28 06/29/03 (12)
    • "Landscape photography................ - mphunt 20:13:46 06/29/03 (10)
      • Re: "Landscape photography................ - Owen Phairis 22:01:00 06/29/03 (0)
      • Re: "Landscape photography................ - Owen Phairis 21:34:07 06/29/03 (6)
        • If you say so....... - mphunt 22:07:40 06/29/03 (0)
        • "Sterile"???? - Michael McGowan 22:02:33 06/29/03 (4)
          • Re: "Sterile"???? - Owen Phairis 22:30:35 06/29/03 (3)
            • this is long, but please read, ... - Doug Lester 23:55:58 06/29/03 (2)
              • Re: this is long, but please read, ... - Owen Phairis 00:58:23 06/30/03 (1)
                • There's the frigging problem!!!!!! - Doug L. 01:22:56 06/30/03 (0)
      • Or else... - Michael McGowan 21:19:11 06/29/03 (1)
        • I know, I know........ - mphunt 21:31:57 06/29/03 (0)
    • Vacation snapshot? - Michael McGowan 13:40:52 06/29/03 (0)

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: : Owen, all we have to go on is what you've posted. Those posts have typically been grayed-out images that look like third generation copies of photos. If the problem is in the scanning, I can understand. But whether you enter contests, have work in museums (as I have had) or simply show pictures on the Web, you need to show only the best representations you can.

: : Not only does Ohio have museums, I'm acquainted with the people who run one of America's finest, the Butler Institute of American Art. The photographs in their collection are, as you described, wonderfully rich.

: : Again, all we can see is what you post, since we can't all visit your town to see things first-hand. My response was to the overall "look" of the images you've posted. The latest looks a little better, and its tones could be considered appropriate and done for effect.

: : We all put things out for critique, for suggestions, for consideration. Unlike so many people doing photography, you do have the courage of your convictions. I'm merely trying to push you into amping up the display so your work will fully express those convictions. I don't have to work in the same genre as someone else to want him or her to succeed.

: : BTW, there's much more to color than drug store or Adobe. All Adobe can do is to help adjust in the digital realm so I get the image I put on film ... or on a chip.

: : The irony from my perspective is that digital has gotten to the point that it's nearly transparent as a medium, so long as you stay at 20x30 prints or smaller. All you see is what you put there. No pixels, no grain, nothing that tells the viewer anything about the source. It could be large format, digital or some combination. You just can't tell.

: : Here's some more drugstore color for you.

: You seem very liberal at giving advice to all that post here on this forum, perhaphs, your photography could, and would, improve if you took your own advice, ie, that muddy coastline landscape that you posted....... 

: Owen Phairis
: Big Bear Lake


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